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The row over Japan's past and future

1 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:37:58 ID:Oqe9v5eM

The row over Japan's past and future
William Horsley

By William Horsley
BBC News, Tokyo

Japan's decision to approve new school textbooks,
criticised by some for glossing over the country's
wartime record, have promoted demonstrations in
several Chinese cities. But as William Horsley
discovers the row between the two countries concerns
the future as well as the past.

Yasukuni Shrine
Prime Minister Koizumi's visits to the shrine were
criticised by China
The most striking thing about the Yasukuni Shrine is
its massive and forbidding black "torii" gate.


2 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:38:23 ID:Oqe9v5eM
A distinctive symbol of the Shinto religion, a gaunt
silhouette beneath which, on a bright spring day, I
watched men and women of all ages streaming in to
pay their respects to ancestors, or to admire the
enchanting display of cherry blossoms on the tree-
lined avenue.

Each family group would pause, shut their eyes and
pray in front of the open-plan wooden building where
the souls of two-and-a-half-million Japanese war
dead are enshrined.

Those war dead include Hideki Tojo, Japan's wartime
prime minister who was later hanged with a dozen
other top leaders as a war criminal.

3 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:39:12 ID:Oqe9v5eM

Japan's present leader, Junichiro Koizumi has made
regular visits to Yasukuni Shrine in spite of furious
complaints from China, South Korea and other
neighbouring countries that in doing so he was
condoning Japan's aggressive war in the 1930s and
1940s.

And now, the news from China is bad, very bad.

Demonstrations

Chinese demonstrators burn a Japanese flag
Demonstrations over the text-books have extended to
South Korea
Last weekend an angry crowd gathered in Beijing to
throw stones at the Japanese embassy.

In other cities young people have attacked Japanese
shops and businesses.

In Shanghai two Japanese students were badly beaten
up in a restaurant.

Chinese leaders say Japan will not deserve a
permanent seat on the UN Security Council until it
faces up honestly to its wartime misdeeds.

An e-mail doing the rounds in China calls for a mass
boycott of Japanese goods. "Send this on to other
Chinese people", the message says, "and we won't need
to go to war!"

4 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:40:10 ID:Oqe9v5eM

History

This stream of invective against the Japanese is not
new.

Some Asia watchers see it largely as a device by
Chinese leaders to extract more Japanese aid or
divert attention from their own failings.

It is alarmingly reminiscent of the age of the
Communist Red Guards.


The Yasukuni Shrine remains a potent symbol of how
the Japanese, intoxicated by fascism and coerced by
military rule, once collectively lost their reason
and were fed fantastic myths, of racial superiority
and the Emperor's divinity
But on this trip to Japan I could not avoid the
conclusion that a new mood of nationalism has also
begun to take hold in this country which has been
publicly devoted to peace and economic prosperity for
so long.

5 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:41:44 ID:Oqe9v5eM
省略されました・・全てを読むには下記リンクを押してください

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4449005.stm

6 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:42:20 ID:03JiQzju
欧米マスメディアの日本特派員には、日本語がまったくできないなんていうのも結構いたりする。


7 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 13:43:09 ID:pShsxw5o
so what? ignorant mr chink.

8 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 14:00:40 ID:CoLQfL7Y
Do you know what enshrined in Yasukuni?

9 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 16:15:08 ID:AH+fbdyR
偶然さっきこれ読んだ、とはいえ完全に読めるわけでもないが、完全に日本に対して
批判的、日本に非がないとはおもわんが、絶対に罪悪の超過大がある。
なんとかできんか?

10 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 16:17:49 ID:i9KOGk8C
Japanese expressed deep remorse on its wartime wrongdoing to Great China
China is great!!!
China is justice!!!
China is the leader of Asia!!!
China is the Security Council of United Nation!!!

外交部?李肇星与日本外?大臣町村信孝会?
http://www.cctv.com/news/china/20050417/101048.shtml

日媒体称小泉已基本决定不参加靖国神社春祭活?
http://cn.news.yahoo.com/050416/347/2b0ez.html

町村就侵華深刻反省和道歉
http://hk.news.yahoo.com/050418/12/1boee.html

町村外相が「反省」・中国中央テレビが報道
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/main/20050417STXKA059017042005.html


11 :9:2005/04/18(月) 16:20:34 ID:AH+fbdyR
国際的にな見方では何十万も南京で殺されたとあるけど、
なんだよその国際的な見方って、具体的な研究機関か調査団体を
あげみてほしいもんださ。

12 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 16:42:42 ID:dVsZYgR8
10
なんかすごくコンプレックス感じてる香具師だね。

13 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 16:57:47 ID:xDSmuBHs
>>10
China is mean!!!
China is injustice!!!
China is the Disgrace of Asia!!!
China is the United Nation Hazard Council!!!

14 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 18:15:31 ID:AQyegCQ9
偶々靖国に参拝に来てた元日本兵の証言があるけど
無茶苦茶うさんくさくねーか?

15 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 20:29:33 ID:gjDToy/p
>10
> Japanese expressed deep remorse on its wartime wrongdoing to Great China

その通りだが

16 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 20:37:34 ID:gjDToy/p
いやいやいや、全部読んだよ。

靖国神社に博物館ってあるの? そこで
As for Nanjing, I found no mention of Japanese soldiers killing civilians.
だってさ。

便衣兵と正規兵って区別するの大変なんじゃないの?

っていうかこの人中国が外国で言ってるのをそのまま信じてるんだろうけど、
あまりにもリベラルだから実際に調べるつもりもないんだろうね。

17 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 21:52:18 ID:9SDCoacv
英国は日本の攻撃によりアジアの植民地を事実上全て失った。
第二次大戦に於ける真の敗者であり、それが第二次大戦後の
国力の低下をもたらした。
日本はアジアの旧植民地を市場として獲得し、第二次大戦に於ける
事実上の勝者となった。それが戦後の国力の増大をもたらした。

英国の日本への辛辣な見方はこのような歴史的背景が原因。
また、独はユダヤ人虐待という犯罪行為の仲間を求めて、日本を
同様の犯罪国家と決めつける傾向がある。

英・独・蘭以外の欧州諸国の日本への見方はかなり異なる。

18 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/18(月) 22:44:17 ID:oJYm+BaZ
リベラル=不勉強なカルト信者だからな。


19 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/04/19(火) 20:40:35 ID:JBcYof1v
こういうのもありますぜ。ばぐ太のスレで知ったんだけど…

China's Selective Memory
By Fred Hiatt
ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61708-2005Apr17.html
[...]
But put the issue in some perspective: Many textbooks receive ministry
approval in Tokyo, and no school is forced to use any particular one.
Issues of war guilt or innocence, and of proper historiography, are
debated endlessly and openly in Japanese newspapers, magazines and
universities. Some Japanese demonstrate against politicians who won't
go to Yasukuni Shrine -- where Japan's war dead, including some who
were judged war criminals, are honored -- while other Japanese
demonstrate against politicians who do go.

Compare this to the situation in Premier Wen's China. There is only
one acceptable version of history, at least at any given time; history
often changes, but only when the Communist Party decides to change it.
[...]
And if the 300,000 victims of the Nanjing Massacre are slighted in some
Japanese textbooks, what of the 30 million Chinese who died in famines
created by Mao Zedong's lunatic Great Leap Forward between 1958 and 1962?
No mention in Chinese texts; didn't happen.

まあ結局は2chで言ってるようなことなんだけど…

20 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2005/06/06(月) 18:52:28 ID:5rQVgc3I
China is liar

21 :アルファ:2005/06/07(火) 22:40:16 ID:KjYO5Ruq
誰か訳して(T_T)読む気力ない

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